ResourcesGolf resorts · 16 min read · checked 2026-11-14

Golf resorts for meetings, and corporate incentives.

10 resorts on five continents where a conference and a round share one site: the courses, what each resort publishes for corporate golf, club hire and tuition, what non-golfers can do, and the meeting rooms behind it. Checked against each venue's own pages, including where those pages disagree.

How to choose

Is golf the event, or one option for the afternoon?

Most company groups are mixed: a few keen players, more occasional ones, and many who have never held a club. Plan for that group.

  • Know your mix before you choose the course

    Ask delegates for a handicap or their experience when they register. Some courses are not for beginners: Terre Blanche publishes a handicap limit of under 36 on one course and reserves the other for members, their guests and hotel guests, and Sun City's Gary Player Country Club course is walking only. A nine-hole or par-3 course, a putting course or a clinic at the academy includes more people than a championship round.

  • Fit tee times around the meeting, not the reverse

    Eighteen holes takes most of a working day: Pinehurst publishes a target pace of 4 hours 30 minutes, before transfers, warm-up and lunch. A shotgun start, which Gleneagles lists for larger groups, sends everyone out and brings them back together. Nine holes after a morning session keeps the agenda intact. Fix the meeting hours first, then ask the resort which tee times fit.

  • Give non-golfers a programme of equal standing

    An hour at the spa is not the equal of a round with the chief executive. Look for something with the same status: Gleneagles lists clay shooting, falconry and off-road driving; Sun City a water park and the adjoining national park; Millbrook says golf programmes can be arranged for non-golfers too. Bring both groups back together for dinner.

  • Check the season and the course diary

    Courses close for weather, maintenance and tournaments. Fairmont Banff Springs publishes a golf season of May to October; Sun City closes one course on Mondays; Pinehurst's eleventh course is announced for March 2027. Ask what is open on your dates and whether a competition has the course booked.

  • Price the golf as its own line

    Green fees, carts or caddies, club hire, range balls, prizes and a professional to run the day are rarely part of a delegate rate. Six of the ten resorts here publish no corporate golf package, so the golf is quoted on request. Keep it as a separate line so the meeting packages stay comparable.

Course names, academies and rankings are given as each venue publishes them and imply no endorsement. No venue here has a relationship with RFPVenue; we source and compare options in a venue's region and do not book a named venue for you.

At a glance

All the venues, side by side.

The largest published space and bedrooms as each venue states them. 'Best for' is our judgement.

VenueWhereLargest spaceBedroomsBest for (our view)
GleneaglesUnited KingdomHenry Hall: 320 theatre233 rooms and suitesGolf-led retreats and client days of 20 to 200
The Belfry Hotel & ResortUnited KingdomMasters Suite: 920 theatre468 bedroomsLarge UK conferences with a golf day added
Terre Blanche Hotel Spa Golf ResortFranceFayence Room: 200 theatre115 suites and villasExecutive retreats and incentives of 20 to 100
Pinehurst ResortUnited StatesGrand Ballroom: 1,000 theaterCarolina Hotel 230; resort total not publishedSales meetings of 50 upwards where most play
Fairmont Banff SpringsCanadaVan Horne Ballroom: 1,376 m2; three rooms at 450 theater724 or 739 (hotel's pages differ)Large summer conferences with golf as one option
FancourtSouth AfricaBallroom: 350 seats115 rooms and suites, plus 18 Manor House suitesBoard retreats and conferences of up to about 200
Sun City ResortSouth AfricaSuperbowl: 920 to 6,000Resort total not publishedVery large conventions with golf, water park and safari
RACV Royal Pines ResortAustraliaRoyal Benowa Ballroom: 1,500 theatre333 roomsLarge conferences of 300 to 1,500 with optional golf
Millbrook ResortNew ZealandPavilion marquee: 210 theatre; largest built room 140Over 160 roomsIncentives and executive retreats of 20 to about 140
Mission Hills Resort ShenzhenChinaGrand Ballroom: 300 theatre500-plus rooms and suitesRegional meetings and client golf of up to about 250

3 venues

UK and Europe

UK and Europe

Gleneagles

Auchterarder, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom

The hotel publishes a dedicated corporate golf day page offering '18 holes on any one of our three championship courses' alongside per-room capacity tables for its meeting spaces.

Courses
'Three championship golf courses and one 9-hole course': The King's, The Queen's and The PGA Centenary, plus The Wee Course (nine par-3 holes).
Largest space
Henry Hall: 320 theatre
Bedrooms
233 rooms and suites
Best for (our view)
Leadership retreats and client hospitality days of roughly 20 to 200 where a round on a championship course is the centrepiece and non-golfers need equally strong country pursuits.
Getting there
Edinburgh and Glasgow airports are 'both approximately one hour's drive away'. Own railway station: the directions page says 'less than 2 minutes from the hotel' with complimentary transfers; the meetings page says 'five minutes from our own train station' (both published). London King's Cross to Gleneagles Station 'in just over 5 and a half hours'. Helicopter landings can be arranged. Step-free information: not published on the pages checked.
Limitations
233 rooms is the published room count, against a 320-450 capacity in Henry Hall. Rural Perthshire location, about an hour by road from either airport. The group tee-time offer is seasonal (March to October, Sunday to Thursday). No corporate golf minimums or prices published. The Shooting Lodge is off the main hotel site. The meetings page says '15 spaces' while the spaces page lists 12.
Full details for Gleneagles
Corporate golf as published
'A sample corporate golf day includes': 18 holes on any one of the three championship courses, course guide and first tee amenities, leading brand equipment hire, locker room facilities including sauna, and a basket of practice balls at the PGA National Academy. The suggested day adds breakfast and a two-course lunch in The Dormy. Optional extras listed: 'Pro for a day' (personalised scorecards, tee announcements, collated scores, prize-giving), group golf lessons, pre-round swing check clinic, '1st Shot' swing photograph, Beat The Pro, shotgun starts for larger groups, co-branded merchandise and on-course banners. No minimum group size and no price published; 'special room rates for corporate group stays'.
Group tee-time offer
General 'Tee Time' offer (not described as corporate): 'Enjoy a saving when you and three friends book a tee time ... Sunday to Thursday, from March to October', from GBP 160 per person.
Lessons / academy
PGA National Academy: 1-hour tuition by a PGA professional GBP 145; group tuition per person GBP 90 (2 people), GBP 85 (3), GBP 80 (4); on-course tuition GBP 370 (18 holes) or GBP 210 (10 holes), excluding green fee; TrackMan and Toptracer; 320-yard driving range, three putting greens, short game pitching area. 'Open to hotel residents, members and visitors all year round.'
Equipment hire
'Leading brand equipment hire' is included in the sample corporate day and the golf page says 'We hire and sell the latest top brand golf equipment'; no hire price published on the pages checked.
Non-golfers
The meetings page lists team-building activities: clay shooting, fishing, archery, gundog lessons, horse riding (including polo lessons for beginners), fitness bootcamp, off-road driving, falconry, axe throwing and a climbing wall.
Largest space, as published
Henry Hall: theatre 320, classroom 240, U-shape 80, boardroom 60, cabaret 160, cocktails 450, buffet 200, dining 240 (capacity table). The same page's descriptive text gives 'capacity for 300 people theatre-style'; both figures are published.
Bedrooms, as published
'233 rooms and suites' (corporate golf page and meetings page). The meetings page also says 'Overnight accommodation for up to 480+'.
Other spaces
  • The Ballroom: theatre 260, classroom 180, U-shape 60, boardroom 50, cabaret 120, cocktails 360, dining 200
  • The Billiard Room: theatre 80 (front projection) / 60 (back projection), classroom 60 / 50, U-shape 36, boardroom 32, cabaret 40, cocktails 100, buffet 50, dining 60
  • The Drawing Room (115 sqm): theatre 40, cabaret 45, cocktails 100, dining 70
  • The Assembly Room (73 sqm, three rooms that open into one): theatre 60, cabaret 32, boardroom 24, cocktails 100, dining 24
  • The Parlour: theatre 30, classroom 20, U-shape 16, boardroom 20, cabaret 18, cocktails 70, buffet 30, dining 30
  • The Broadcasting Room (38 sqm): boardroom 14, dining 14
  • The Study (18 sqm): boardroom 10, dining 10
  • The Glendevon: cocktails 100, dining 52 in the table (54 in the description; both published)
  • The Shooting Lodge (a short drive from the hotel): cocktails 60, buffet BBQ 100, dining 30
  • The Pantry: cocktails 14 (available to groups using The Assembly Room or The Broadcasting Room)
  • The Cellar: dining for up to twelve guests
Equipment
Published per room: Ballroom has a full lighting rig, built-in sound system and built-in front projection screen; Henry Hall has two control rooms, drop-down screens in areas 2 and 3, a laser projector in area 1, a sound system and 32 hanging points; Billiard Room has a fitted electric drop-down screen and built-in sound system; Broadcasting Room has a fixed 49-inch screen, iPad AV control and HDMI/VGA/Apple/Bluetooth connectivity; Drawing Room has a drop-down projector screen and eight 65-inch relay screen points; Study has a 65-inch relay screen available. 'Wireless access complimentary' is listed for five of the spaces.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (6 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

UK and Europe

The Belfry Hotel & Resort

Wishaw, Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, United Kingdom

Publishes a corporate golf day package across three courses next to 'over 20 versatile function rooms and meeting spaces, accommodating up to 920 delegates'.

Courses
Three: The Brabazon (par 72), The PGA National (par 72) and The Derby (par not stated on the pages checked).
Largest space
Masters Suite: 920 theatre
Bedrooms
468 bedrooms
Best for (our view)
Large UK conferences and sales kick-offs (up to several hundred residential) that want a golf day added with minimal travel from Birmingham airport and rail.
Getting there
'9.2 miles from Birmingham Airport & Intl. Train Station' and '10 miles from Birmingham City Centre' (meetings page); 'Only 15 mins from Birmingham Airport & International Train Station with access to M6 and M42 motorways' (Masters Suite page). More under full details.
Limitations
A large multi-event resort, so facilities are shared with other groups and leisure guests. Capacities for several suites are not on the overview page. No published corporate golf minimums or prices. The accessibility page flags some natural ground where wheelchair assistance is needed.
Full details for The Belfry Hotel & Resort
Corporate golf as published
Corporate golf day package: breakfast on arrival, 18 holes on a championship golf course of your choice, Belfry-branded gift pack and course planner, driving range token with full access to the PGA Academy, three-course banqueting dinner, private room hire, full use of locker facilities. Add-ons: tournament management and results service, Beat the Pro competitions and golf clinics, customised retail prize table, buggy hire and bag drop service, VPAR live scoring. No minimum numbers or prices published.
Lessons / academy
'From individual to group coaching options with all equipment and balls provided. PGA coaching using Trackman and Toptracer'; Toptracer driving range; custom fitting suites.
Equipment hire
Buggy hire and bag drop are listed as corporate add-ons. Club hire is not mentioned on the pages checked.
Non-golfers
The Belfry Spa (including Fire & Ice) and the leisure club with gym, swimming pool and classes.
Largest space, as published
The Masters Suite (852 sqm): maximum capacity 920; theatre 920, classroom 432, banquet 648, cabaret 464. Can be divided into smaller spaces.
Bedrooms, as published
468 bedrooms.
Other spaces
  • Woodlands Suite: stand-alone space with its own registration and bar area and conservatory (capacity not on the overview page)
  • Warwick Suite: 'one of the larger event spaces, with its own bar' (capacity not on the overview page)
  • Lichfield Suite: 'can be split into three syndicate break-out rooms'
  • Manor View Suite: 'for up to 16 people'
  • Boardrooms: smaller private meetings, 'all with AV tech and extras'
  • The Green (outdoor team building area, 2,430 sq m): up to 250 guests
  • Terrace on the 10th (outdoor, overlooking the 10th hole of The Brabazon): up to 200 guests
  • Lichfield Lawn (outdoor): capacity not stated
Equipment
'Full suite of AV tech for presentations'; the 24-hour package lists 'the latest AV equipment'; Masters Suite lists WIFI. No itemised list published on the pages checked.
Getting there and access, in full
'9.2 miles from Birmingham Airport & Intl. Train Station' and '10 miles from Birmingham City Centre' (meetings page); 'Only 15 mins from Birmingham Airport & International Train Station with access to M6 and M42 motorways' (Masters Suite page). Free car parking and EV charging points. Accessibility page: 'Multiple DDA bedrooms throughout the hotel with adjoining rooms for carers', 'Egress ramps situated throughout the resort', hearing loop on request, and 'There are some natural areas of ground and landscape whereby assistance with a wheelchair is needed and in some areas may be limited'. Step-free access to individual meeting rooms is not stated.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (5 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

UK and Europe

Terre Blanche Hotel Spa Golf Resort

Tourrettes, Var, Provence, France

The resort's own seminar page describes meeting rooms 'ranging up to 295 sqm and accommodating up to 200 guests' on an estate with two 18-hole courses and a golf academy; its events page lists golf among team-building activities.

Courses
'Two 18-hole championship courses designed by Dave Thomas': Le Chateau (6,616 m; 'accessible to players with a handicap of less than 36') and Le Riou (6,005 m; 'reserved for club members, their guests, and hotel guests').
Largest space
Fayence Room: 200 theatre
Bedrooms
115 suites and villas
Best for (our view)
Executive retreats and incentives of about 20 to 100 that want an all-suite property and a quieter Provence setting rather than a convention hotel.
Getting there
Address: 3100 Route de Bagnols-en-Foret, 83440 Tourrettes. 'Just 45 minutes from Nice International Airport' (events page). 'Half an hour from the Mediterranean' (hotel page). More under full details.
Limitations
115 suites and villas limits residential group size. Le Riou is restricted to members, their guests and hotel guests; Le Chateau has a handicap limit below 36. The seminar page says 'six meeting rooms' but describes five rooms plus the patio. No corporate golf package, club hire details or itemised AV published on the pages checked.
Full details for Terre Blanche Hotel Spa Golf Resort
Corporate golf as published
No dedicated corporate or group golf package found on the pages checked. The events page lists 'A wide range of team-building activities: golf, spa treatments, nature walks, and wellness workshops'. Published individual offers include Golf Day at EUR 228 per person, 1-Hour Golf Lesson & Lunch at EUR 168 per person and an 18-hole green fee (licence-holder rate) at EUR 190 per person.
Lessons / academy
'Golf academy and school' with online lesson booking; Albatros Golf Performance Center (training centre); Callaway fitting. Further details and prices are not on the pages checked.
Equipment hire
Not published on the pages checked.
Non-golfers
Spa (massages, hammam, laconium, sauna, pools, yoga or Pilates sessions), hotel infinity pool, Kids' Club, restaurants including the gourmet Le Faventia; the hotel lists hiking trails, Lake Saint-Cassien and hill villages nearby.
Largest space, as published
Fayence Room (295 sqm): up to 200 theatre-style, with foyer and private terrace.
Bedrooms, as published
'115 Suites & Villas ranging from 60 to 300m2'
Other spaces
  • Tourrettes Room (98 m2): up to 80 guests, equipped with a screen and video projector, connecting patio
  • Montauroux Room (71 sqm): 55 in theatre format, private patio
  • Callian Room (68 m2): up to 45 guests
  • Clubhouse Room (63 sqm): up to 18 boardroom style, private terrace
  • Terre Blanche Hotel Patio: up to 120 guests for al fresco lunch or dinner
  • Poolside terrace: welcome cocktail for up to 100 guests
Equipment
Only the Tourrettes Room is itemised ('equipped with a screen and video projector'). The events page says 'State-of-the-art audiovisual equipment' without a list. AV for other rooms not published on the pages checked.
Getting there and access, in full
Address: 3100 Route de Bagnols-en-Foret, 83440 Tourrettes. 'Just 45 minutes from Nice International Airport' (events page). 'Half an hour from the Mediterranean' (hotel page). Step-free information not stated on the pages checked; the site links a public accessibility register (PDF).

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (6 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

2 venues

North America

North America

Pinehurst Resort

Village of Pinehurst, North Carolina, United States

Describes 'eleven 18-hole courses, the Thistle Dhu putting course and a short course aptly named The Cradle' (the eleventh is announced to debut on 29 March 2027), with corporate golf schools run by its own academy and meeting space for events up to 'a 1,000-attendee retreat'.

Courses
The golf page states 'eleven 18-hole courses' (No. 1 to No. 11) plus The Cradle (nine-hole short course) and Thistle Dhu (18-hole putting course). The same page announces that Pinehurst No. 11 is 'to debut March 29, 2027', so ten 18-hole courses were open on the date checked.
Largest space
Grand Ballroom: 1,000 theater
Bedrooms
Carolina Hotel 230; resort total not published
Best for (our view)
North American sales meetings and client events of 50 to several hundred where most attendees play and the group wants multiple courses over two or three days.
Getting there
Published distances: Raleigh-Durham International (RDU) 74 miles; Piedmont Triad International (GSO) 87 miles; Charlotte Douglas International (CLT) 98.49 miles; Fayetteville Regional (FAY) 48 miles; Moore County Airport (KSOP, private aviation) 'just a short 15-minute drive'. More under full details.
Limitations
Total guest room count is not published on the pages checked (lodging is spread across several hotels, villas, cottages and inns; only the Carolina Hotel's 230 rooms and suites, the Magnolia's eight guest rooms and four keyed guestrooms per Carolina Villa are stated). The most convenient major airport (RDU) is 74 miles away. Meeting spaces are spread across several buildings and clubhouses. The eleventh course is not open until 29 March 2027. Spa menus on the site distinguish current East Wing treatments from post-renovation ones, indicating spa works.
Full details for Pinehurst Resort
Corporate golf as published
Pinehurst Golf Academy corporate Golf Schools: 'offerings ranging from a 3-hour clinic to a weeklong golf retreat'; 'All schools include accommodations and three meals per day'; packages are put together on request, no group sizes or prices published. Group activities page: 'From putting contests to archery, wine tastings to sporting clays, we can customize any activity for your group.' No published group tee-time rate found.
Lessons / academy
Pinehurst Golf Academy (golf schools including a Short Game School and corporate programs). Prices not on the pages checked.
Equipment hire
Titleist club rental USD 80 per day. Caddie USD 85 per bag; forecaddie USD 45 per player; single bag USD 100 (confirmed day of play only); recommended gratuities are additional. Push carts first come, first served.
Course rules that affect groups
Carts are restricted to paths on No. 2 and No. 4; 'Course No. 10 is walking only'. Targeted pace of play 4 hours 30 minutes.
Non-golfers
Spa, pickleball, tennis, lawn sports, Lake Pinehurst and swimming pool activities, archery, sporting clays, wine tastings (as listed on the group and meetings pages).
Largest space, as published
Grand Ballroom (The Carolina Hotel), 9,600 sq ft, 60 ft x 160 ft, 400 - 1000 guests: theater up to 1,000 ('allowing it to host up to 1,000 guests'), reception up to 700, plated banquet up to 500, buffet banquet up to 400, classroom up to 400; subdivides into up to five. (The meeting-spaces index page prints '1,000 sq. ft.' for the same room; both figures are published, the room's own page gives 9,600 sq ft.)
Bedrooms, as published
No resort-wide total published on the resort's own pages checked on 2026-11-14. Lodging is spread across several hotels, villas, cottages and inns. The Carolina Hotel, the main hotel, is published as 230 Four-Diamond rooms and suites, and The Magnolia Inn as eight guest rooms.
Other spaces
  • Carolina Hotel overall: 'more than 61,000 square feet of indoor meeting space and 22,000 square feet of outdoor function space'; '20 indoor and 5 outdoor meeting spaces'
  • Carolina Hall: 14,000 sq ft; outdoor terrace up to 350 guests
  • Cardinal Ballroom: up to 320 guests theater-style
  • Outlook Ballroom (Pinehurst Country Club): up to 260 guests
  • Callaway Room and Oakley Room (subsections of the Grand Ballroom): 24-240 guests each; Tufts Room: up to 120
  • Donald Ross Room: plated dinner up to 150, reception 175
  • Ross Room: up to 120 guests
  • North Room (1,800+ sq ft): up to 100 guests
  • Evergreen Music Room: meetings up to 60, receptions up to 130
  • Centennial Boardroom: seating for 18, built-in A/V equipment
  • West Lawn (outdoor): up to 600 guests
  • No. 9 Clubhouse: more than 3,500 sq ft; ballroom up to 140 guests
  • No. 8 Clubhouse: nearly 7,000 sq ft indoor and outdoor; Centennial Dining Room up to 150, Centennial Veranda up to 250
  • Lake Pavilion (open-air, Lake Pinehurst): banquet up to 160, reception up to 200
Equipment
Not itemised on the pages checked. The Centennial Boardroom is 'outfitted with built-in A/V equipment'; the Gardenia Room page refers to 'A/V systems that are available to rent'.
Getting there and access, in full
Published distances: Raleigh-Durham International (RDU) 74 miles; Piedmont Triad International (GSO) 87 miles; Charlotte Douglas International (CLT) 98.49 miles; Fayetteville Regional (FAY) 48 miles; Moore County Airport (KSOP, private aviation) 'just a short 15-minute drive'. Scheduled RDU shuttle USD 100 per person one-way during peak hours, by reservation with 72 hours' notice. Complimentary on-call shuttle between resort-owned facilities; dedicated group shuttles for hire (from USD 150 per hour for a 10-passenger van). Step-free information not on the pages checked.

Checked 2026-11-14 against the venue's own pages (10 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

North America

Fairmont Banff Springs

Banff, Alberta, Canada

The hotel publishes 'more than 76,000 square feet' of meeting, event and exhibit space and its own golf (Stanley Thompson 18 and Tunnel Mountain 9) 'in the heart of Banff National Park'.

Courses
Two: Stanley Thompson 18 (18 holes) and Tunnel Mountain 9 (9 holes, 'constructed in 1989').
Largest space
Van Horne Ballroom: 1,376 m2; three rooms at 450 theater
Bedrooms
724 or 739 (hotel's pages differ)
Best for (our view)
Large summer conferences and incentives (several hundred residential) wanting mountain scenery with golf as one option among many, rather than a golf-led programme.
Getting there
'Calgary International Airport (YYC) is located approximately 80 miles (130 km) East of the resort'; no drive time published. More under full details.
Limitations
Golf is seasonal (May to October), so golf cannot be part of winter programmes. 130 km from Calgary airport. No corporate or group golf offer is published; ask the hotel. The meetings page says '24+ venues' while its table lists more named configurations; the hotel's own pages give two different room counts (724 and 739).
Full details for Fairmont Banff Springs
Corporate golf as published
No group or corporate golf package is published on the hotel's golf or meetings pages. The meetings page names a 'championship golf course' among the resort's features; the pro shop mentions tournament prizes; lessons include 'private, semi-private, group, or customized lessons'.
Season
'Golf Season Open: May-October'; daily 6:00 AM - 5:30 PM (last tee time). The same page also describes the courses as 'perfect for golfers all year round'; both statements are published.
Lessons / academy
On-site teaching professionals; private, semi-private, group, customised and drop-in lessons ('Call for details'; no prices published).
Equipment hire
TaylorMade club rental, sets include a sleeve of balls (no price published). Green fees 'include shared power cart, unless otherwise noted' and use of the driving range and practice facilities. A non-golfing rider may accompany a golfer for CAD 120 plus tax (18 holes) or CAD 80 plus tax (9 holes).
Non-golfers
The meetings page names a 'world class Spa'.
Largest space, as published
Van Horne Ballroom (ABC): 1,376 m2, height 6.80 m (no layout capacities shown in the published table). Largest rooms with published layout capacities: Alberta/New Brunswick 611 m2, theater 450, classroom 288, banquet 360; Alhambra Room 517 m2, theater 450, U-shape 80, classroom 300, banquet 320; Cascade Ballroom 477 m2, theater 450, U-shape 80, classroom 300, banquet 340. The page header gives 'Capacity for 1,500 guests' and the text says 'groups from 8 to 1,000 guests' (both published).
Bedrooms, as published
The hotel's home page says '724 luxury guest rooms and suites'; the meetings page says '739 guestrooms'. Both are published.
Other spaces
  • Presidents Hall (495 m2): theater 400, U-shape 120, classroom 300, banquet 270
  • Alberta Room (294 m2): theater 250, U-shape 62, classroom 176, banquet 200
  • Mt. Stephen Hall (248 m2): theater 250, U-shape 78, boardroom 60, classroom 100, banquet 150
  • Theatre (275 m2): theater 252
  • New Brunswick Room (205 m2): theater 200, U-shape 50, boardroom 38, classroom 112, banquet 160
  • Sir Edward Beatty (164 m2): theater 120, U-shape 40, boardroom 36, classroom 80, banquet 90
  • Ivor Petrak Room (170 m2): theater 100, U-shape 52, boardroom 50, classroom 80, banquet 80
  • Norquay Room (66 m2): theater 50, U-shape 25, boardroom 24, classroom 32, banquet 40
  • Boardrooms (Victoria, Palliser, McKenzie, Fairholm): boardroom 10 each
  • Riverview Lounge (472 m2, overlooks the Stanley Thompson course): capacities not listed
  • New 5,300-square-foot ballroom, configurable into four rooms, announced as 'Opening in February 2027'
Equipment
AV is provided through the hotel's partner Encore Canada; no equipment list published on the page.
Getting there and access, in full
'Calgary International Airport (YYC) is located approximately 80 miles (130 km) East of the resort'; no drive time published. Airport shuttles via Banff Airporter and Brewster Express (reservations required at least 1 hour in advance); a Hertz office is in the hotel. 'Just minutes from the cosmopolitan mountain town of Banff'. '415+ parking spaces'. Step-free information for meeting rooms not found on the pages checked.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (4 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

2 venues

Africa

Africa

Fancourt

George, Western Cape (Garden Route), South Africa

Its own 'business playground' article pitches the conference centre with 'down time on some of the country's most renowned golf courses', and the resort is 'just 7 km from George Airport'.

Courses
'Four Gary Player designer courses': The Links (flagship), Montagu (18-hole parkland), Outeniqua (parkland) and a 9-hole short course.
Largest space
Ballroom: 350 seats
Bedrooms
115 rooms and suites, plus 18 Manor House suites
Best for (our view)
Board retreats and conferences of up to roughly 100 to 200 residential that want golf and spa downtime on one estate with a very short airport transfer.
Getting there
'Just 7 km from George Airport' and 'a mere 10 minutes from George airport', which 'can be accessed by several airlines now flying directly to George from Johannesburg and Cape Town'. Step-free information not published on the pages checked.
Limitations
115 hotel rooms (plus 18 Manor House suites, adults 16+) limits residential size against a 350-seat ballroom. Layout capacities are not published as text. No published corporate golf package or club hire. George is a regional airport; the venue cites direct flights from Johannesburg and Cape Town only.
Full details for Fancourt
Corporate golf as published
No corporate golf day or group tee-time package is published on the pages checked. The business playground page says the conference team offers 'down time on some of the country's most renowned golf courses'.
Lessons / academy
The Academy: lessons 'offered to guests and visitors' by PGA professionals. Practice area with driving range, putting green and chipping green.
Equipment hire
Club hire not mentioned. 'Golf carts must be booked in advance. Only licensed drivers over 18 may operate them.' Three pro shops.
Non-golfers
Spa with Roman Baths, jacuzzi and sauna; heated indoor and outdoor pools; tennis, padel, lawn bowls; catch-and-release fishing; 2.5 km, 5 km and 10 km trails with bicycles; gym; in-house cinema.
Day conference rate as published
Half day ZAR 780 per person; full day ZAR 880 per person (1 July 2026 to 31 March 2027), including venue hire, refreshment breaks and a three-course lunch.
Largest space, as published
Ballroom: '350-seater ballroom' (no layout breakdown published as text).
Bedrooms, as published
'115 luxurious rooms and suites' in the hotel; The Manor House 'offers 18 suites and is reserved exclusively for guests aged 16 and older'
Other spaces
  • Banquet Hall: 50 - 90 people (day conference package sheet)
  • Executive boardroom, meeting rooms and breakaway rooms: named, capacities not published as text
  • Exhibition hall with fully removable doors
  • 'Several other conferencing and dining venues on the resort', including Bedouin tents: not sized
Equipment
Conferencing page: audio-visual equipment, video conferencing and an on-site technician. Day conference package (1 July 2026 to 31 March 2027) includes screen, clicker, flipchart and markers, Wi-Fi. Banquet Hall list: JBL Eon based sound system, laptop audio cable, wireless headset, wireless handheld microphone, NEC 6000 projector, 16:9 boxed screen (3 m x 1.6 m), clicker, backup laptop, set-up and standby technician.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (7 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

Africa

Sun City Resort

North West Province (on the border of Pilanesberg National Park), South Africa

A four-hotel resort whose convention centre lists venues from boardrooms to an arena, with two Gary Player designed courses and 'golf events' named among the uses of its venues.

Courses
Two, both designed by Gary Player: Gary Player Country Club ('an 18-hole par-72 walking course') and The Lost City Golf Course.
Largest space
Superbowl: 920 to 6,000
Bedrooms
Resort total not published
Best for (our view)
Very large conventions and incentive groups (several hundred to a few thousand) that need many breakouts and want golf, water park and safari options for a mixed audience.
Getting there
Described as 'within a two-hour drive of landlocked Johannesburg'. No airport distance or transfer time published on the pages checked. Step-free information not on the pages checked.
Limitations
No resort-wide bedroom total is published on the pages checked, and the Cabanas page gives no count. About two hours by road from Johannesburg with no airport transfer detail published. The Gary Player Country Club course is walking only and 'closed on Mondays for routine maintenance'. Capacity figures and room counts differ between sections of the same page, and the detailed capacity table is labelled 'June 2018'. A casino resort shared with large numbers of leisure guests, which some corporate policies restrict.
Full details for Sun City Resort
Corporate golf as published
No corporate golf day package or group rate published on the pages checked. The conferencing page lists 'golf events' among what to expect from its inspiring-spaces venues; venues beside the courses include the Greenhouse (alongside the ninth hole of the Gary Player course) and Crocodile Lounge (at the Lost City course). Two-night and five-night golf packages for individuals are mentioned.
Lessons / academy
Not published on the pages checked.
Equipment hire
'Club hire' is listed among Gary Player Country Club facilities (no price published); 'This is a strictly walking golf course - no carts available'.
Non-golfers
Valley of Waves water park, The Maze of the Lost City, health club and spa at the country club, eight team-building exercises (including drumming and wildlife monitoring), casino and entertainment centre, and the adjoining Pilanesberg National Park.
Largest space, as published
Superbowl: 'Pax: 920 - 6000' (convention centre page). Largest ballroom: King's Ballroom, 2 convention rooms, 60 - 1,200 pax: cinema 494 - 1,200, cocktail 450 - 1,200, banquet served 280 - 750, banquet buffet 250 - 700, schoolroom 182 - 858, U-shaped 60 - 180, boardroom 64 - 96. (The conferencing overview table also lists Sun Park: cinema 1,250, cocktail 1,500, banquet served 1,100, schoolroom 1,000.)
Bedrooms, as published
No resort-wide total published on the operator's pages checked on 2026-11-14. The resort describes four hotels. Per hotel: Cascades 241 guest rooms; Sun City Hotel 340 rooms (fact sheet of July 2025); The Palace of the Lost City 326 suites and rooms on its hotel page and 335 rooms including 15 suites on the operator's Luxury Collection page; no count on the Cabanas page.
Other spaces
  • Warriors Hall (3 convention rooms, 36 - 840 pax): cinema 156 - 840, cocktail 200 - 800, banquet served 140 - 460, schoolroom 48 - 480, U-shaped 36 - 84
  • Seers Court: 2 convention rooms, 32 - 345 pax
  • Motlhape Meeting Rooms (Sefudi and Mogolodi): 2 rooms, 80 - 174 pax
  • The Legend Meeting Rooms: 6 rooms, 12 - 154 pax (capacity table says 14 to 154)
  • The Sun Stone Meeting Rooms: '7 Meeting Rooms', 12 - 140 pax (capacity table says six rooms, 8 - 140)
  • The Journey: '2 Meeting Rooms & 2 Auditoriums', 12 - 80 pax (capacity table says four meeting rooms, 12 - 35)
  • The Three Scrolls: '4 Meeting Rooms', 8 - 42 pax (capacity table says three rooms, 8 - 72)
  • The Palace: Royal Chamber cinema 100, cocktail 120 (text also says 'up to 150 delegates'); Orchid and Protea rooms cinema 80 each; Council Room boardroom 12 (Palace guests only)
  • Outdoor and themed venues include the Amphitheatre (cinema 800), Valley of Waves (cocktail 1,000), Botsalanong Boma (banquet buffet 800), The Maze of the Lost City (150, hireable for team building)
Equipment
Meeting-room clusters have 'adaptable layouts, movable furniture and screen projectors'; in-house entertainment and IT departments with 'state-of-the-art equipment with fully trained technicians'; 'Complimentary Wi-Fi' and 'On-demand Technical Support' listed for the Palace boardrooms. No itemised list.

Checked 2026-11-14 against the venue's own pages (10 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

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Asia-Pacific

Asia-Pacific

RACV Royal Pines Resort

Benowa, Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

The operator's brochure lists 'Capacity: 8 to 1,800', '22 function rooms', '333 rooms' and a 'Championship 27-hole golf course' with private golf tuition on one site.

Courses
27 holes as three nine-hole courses (Blue, Green, Gold), priced as 9 holes or 18-hole combinations (Green and Blue, Gold and Blue, Green and Gold).
Largest space
Royal Benowa Ballroom: 1,500 theatre
Bedrooms
333 rooms
Best for (our view)
Large Australian conferences and exhibitions (300 to 1,500) wanting a single-site resort with golf as an optional add-on, close to Gold Coast airport.
Getting there
Resort page: 'Located 32km north of Gold Coast Airport and 80km south of Brisbane International Airport.' Brochure: 'Just 30 minutes from Gold Coast Airport'. More under full details.
Limitations
The web page says '15 versatile spaces' while the brochure says '22 function rooms'. 333 rooms is well below ballroom capacity, so large events need overflow accommodation. No corporate golf package or minimums published. Inland suburban resort rather than beachfront. Operated by a member organisation (RACV); golf green fees are tiered by membership.
Full details for RACV Royal Pines Resort
Corporate golf as published
No corporate golf day or group tee-time package published on the pages checked. The conferences page invites delegates to 'Play a round of golf on our 27-hole golf course'; the brochure lists the golf course, driving range and private golf tuition among recreation facilities and 'Expansive lawn areas for team building and events'.
Lessons / academy
Private lessons with the head golf professional: adult 1 hour AUD 140, 30 minutes AUD 75; 9-hole playing lesson AUD 300, 18-hole AUD 500 (green fee and motorised cart included). A golf performance coaching centre operates at the driving range.
Equipment hire
Motorised cart AUD 30 (9 holes) / AUD 50 (18 holes); clubs from AUD 30 (9) / from AUD 50 (18); shoes also for hire. The same page's course rules say 'Players must have own set of clubs and use a golf cart' (both published).
Non-golfers
Day spa, pool, waterpark and playground, gym, tennis courts and private tennis tuition, sports field, 8 on-site restaurants and bars.
Largest space, as published
Royal Benowa Ballroom (Prince, Monarch, Marquis combined), 50 x 30 m, 7.7 m high, 1,500 m2: cocktail 1,800, banquet 880, cabaret 760, theatre 1,500, classroom 945 (brochure capacity table).
Bedrooms, as published
333 rooms.
Other spaces
  • Prince (480 m2): cocktail 400, banquet 280, cabaret 224, theatre 500, classroom 315, U-shape 90
  • Monarch (510 m2): cocktail 400, banquet 320, cabaret 256, theatre 500, classroom 315, U-shape 90
  • Marquis (480 m2): cocktail 400, banquet 280, cabaret 224, theatre 500, classroom 315, U-shape 90
  • Royal Benowa Foyer (1,000 m2): cocktail 1,000, banquet 360, cabaret 288
  • Royal Poinciana (425 m2): cocktail 300, banquet 220, cabaret 176, theatre 310, classroom 204, U-shape 58
  • Norfolk Hall (240 m2 in the brochure table; '250-square-metre hall' on the web page): cocktail 200, banquet 120, cabaret 96, theatre 200, classroom 120; divides into Norfolk, Karrie Webb and Jacaranda
  • Cypress 1 and 2 (195 m2): cocktail 200, banquet 100 in the brochure (110 on the web page), cabaret 88, theatre 150, classroom 93, boardroom 60, U-shape 51
  • Fairway Pavilion (600 m2 marquee overlooking the lakes and golf course): cocktail 500, banquet 300, cabaret 240, theatre 540
  • Undercover Tennis Courts (36 x 36 m, 1,500 m2): cocktail 1,800, banquet 620, cabaret 512
  • Poolside: cocktail 1,000, banquet 450 in the brochure (web page: pool deck seats 180, whole pool area seats 450, 700 cocktail-style)
  • The Hub (91 m2): cocktail 60, banquet 40, cabaret 32, theatre 48, classroom 36, boardroom 21, U-shape 33
  • The Boardroom (65 m2): boardroom 16; Waratah (30 m2): theatre 20, boardroom 12; Boronia (35 m2): theatre 25, boardroom 18, U-shape 15
Equipment
Brochure: built-in audio-visual technology, complimentary Wi-Fi, ballroom with a 24-metre-wide LED screen (web page: 'Our large screen can be divided into three smaller screens'). Outdoor spaces: 'Multiple AV, lighting and catering options are available.'
Getting there and access, in full
Resort page: 'Located 32km north of Gold Coast Airport and 80km south of Brisbane International Airport.' Brochure: 'Just 30 minutes from Gold Coast Airport'. Complimentary on-site parking and electric car charging stations. The brochure floor plan shows lifts between ground level and level 1 and publishes door dimensions; no explicit step-free statement.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (5 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

Asia-Pacific

Millbrook Resort

Arrowtown, near Queenstown, Otago, New Zealand

The resort's events brochure offers 'two 18-hole championship golf courses' with golf professionals who 'assist with coordinating tournaments for your groups', alongside 'seven event venues'.

Courses
'The 36-hole championship course offers two fabulous 18-hole courses, with five different tee positions'; the resort map labels the Remarkables Course and the Coronet Course.
Largest space
Pavilion marquee: 210 theatre; largest built room 140
Bedrooms
Over 160 rooms
Best for (our view)
Incentive trips and executive retreats of 20 to about 140 that want a self-contained alpine resort with golf, spa and Queenstown's activities nearby.
Getting there
'Just a two-minute drive from historic Arrowtown and a 20-minute drive to Queenstown'. More under full details.
Limitations
Largest built room seats 140 theatre-style; the 210-seat option is a marquee. All facts come from one official document, the events brochure, whose prices are stated as 2024/2025, so it may not be the latest edition; the resort's web pages are not among the sources. Confirm current details with the resort.
Full details for Millbrook Resort
Corporate golf as published
'Golf professionals are on hand to offer expert advice, assist with coordinating tournaments for your groups and provide lessons.' 'Programs and unique golf check-ins can be arranged for non-golfers also.' No group rate or minimum published in the brochure.
Lessons / academy
Lessons from resort golf professionals; driving range and practice putting green shown on the resort map. No prices in the brochure.
Equipment hire
'Our Golf Shop has a full range of clubs and equipment for hire and sale.' No hire price published.
Non-golfers
Day spa, health and fitness centre with a three-lane 25 m heated indoor lap pool, two outdoor hot pools and one hot tub, tennis courts, petanque, mountain bike hire, walking and biking trail, five dining outlets.
Largest space, as published
Pavilion (permanent silk-lined, carpeted marquee), 200 m2: theatre 210, classroom 144, boardroom 60, banquet 150, cocktail 220, cabaret 90. Largest built room: Millhouse Conference Centre, 155 m2: theatre 140, classroom 100, boardroom 50, banquet 130, cocktail 140, cabaret 78, U-shape 55. The brochure notes capacities 'are only a guideline'.
Bedrooms, as published
'Over 160 rooms' that 'can accommodate over 350 people in five tiers of accommodation', including 51 Deluxe Studios and 70 One Bedroom Suites.
Other spaces
  • Clubhouse (285 m2): theatre 50, classroom 30, boardroom 30, banquet 80, cocktail 120, U-shape 30; outside space seats another 70; exclusive function space from 12 noon
  • Waterfall Cottage (32 m2): boardroom 18
  • Two Bedroom Suites used as meeting rooms (160 m2): theatre 20, classroom 8, boardroom 14, cocktail 20; 'Seats up to 20 people'
  • Millhouse Restaurant (138 m2): theatre 30, classroom 20, boardroom 25, banquet 40, cocktail 50 in the capacity table (text says 60 for a cocktail event; both published)
  • Kobe Cuisine (124 m2): theatre 30, classroom 16, boardroom 20, banquet 30, cocktail 60
  • On-site marquees on the 650-acre grounds: not sized
Equipment
Standard AV included in venue hire: viewing screen, data projector, audio connectivity, clicker, wireless and lapel microphones, lectern, whiteboard; 'Does not include a laptop'. Staging, audio visual equipment and presentation services are offered.
Getting there and access, in full
'Just a two-minute drive from historic Arrowtown and a 20-minute drive to Queenstown'. Queenstown International Airport has direct flights from Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Australia's east coast; airport transfers offered at a group rate (shuttles booked 24 hours in advance). No airport drive time published in the brochure. The resort map marks an accessible car park; no step-free statement.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages. Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

Asia-Pacific

Mission Hills Resort Shenzhen

Guanlan, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China

Describes itself as 'surrounded by 12 world-class championship golf courses' with '13 multi-functional venues', and its golf academy page lists a 'Corporate Team Building Program'.

Courses
The site states 'twelve 18-hole golf courses' across Shenzhen and Dongguan. The course menu names eleven there: Shenzhen - World Cup, Vijay, Ozaki, Faldo, Els, Pete Dye; Dongguan - Olazabal, Annika, Rose-Poulter, Leadbetter, Norman. The Shenzhen Clubhouse 'services 4 of Mission Hills' 12 courses'. Both counts are as published.
Largest space
Grand Ballroom: 300 theatre
Bedrooms
500-plus rooms and suites
Best for (our view)
Regional Asia-Pacific meetings and client golf events of up to about 250 where course variety matters and delegates arrive via Shenzhen or Hong Kong.
Getting there
Published travel times to the Shenzhen Clubhouse: Shenzhen International Airport 35 min; Hong Kong International Airport 90 min; Shenzhen North high-speed railway station 40 min; Luohu railway station 60 min; Huanggang border 35 min; Shenzhen Bay border 50 min; Shekou ferry terminal 60 min. The clubhouse page instead says 'a 30-minute drive from the Hong Kong border and the Shenzhen International Airport' (both published). Free shuttle buses link the clubhouses. Step-free information not published.
Limitations
The largest room in the published venue table seats 300 theatre-style despite the page's wording of 'a conference for thousands'. Venues are split between the Shenzhen and Mid-valley clubhouses. The clubhouse page describes practice facilities as for 'members and their guests'; visitor and group golf terms are not published.
Full details for Mission Hills Resort Shenzhen
Corporate golf as published
The golf academy page lists 'Corporate Team Building Program | Golf School' among its programmes without further detail. No corporate golf day package, group tee-time rate or minimum published on the pages checked.
Lessons / academy
PGA of America Golf Academy at Mission Hills (Shenzhen, 'established in year of 2018'): private lessons, junior camps and longer programmes. Driving range and putting green at the Shenzhen Clubhouse 'for members and their guests'.
Equipment hire
Not published on the pages checked. Pro shop at the clubhouse.
Non-golfers
Spa and wellness centre, foot reflexology centre, two outdoor swimming pools, gym; the sports menu also lists tennis and basketball.
Largest space, as published
Grand Ballroom (Shenzhen), 404 sqm, 4 m height: theatre 300, classroom 150, board 100, U-shape 80, cocktail 350, dinner 260, buffet 200. Divisible into Grand Ballroom I (front section, 230 sqm, theatre 180) and II (back section, 170 sqm, theatre 80).
Bedrooms, as published
'500-plus well-appointed rooms and suites' (described as spread across Shenzhen and Dongguan)
Other spaces
  • Club Ballroom 1, 2 and 3 combined (249 sqm, 4.2 m): theatre 240, classroom 150, board 80, U-shape 60, cocktail 200, dinner 150, buffet 120; each third is 83 sqm, theatre 80
  • Moonlight Hall (Mid-valley, 288 sqm, 4.7 m): theatre 200, classroom 120, board 120, U-shape 60-80, cocktail 200, dinner 120, buffet 120
  • Valley Room (170 sqm): theatre 130, classroom 50, board 40, U-shape 30, cocktail 110, dinner 96, buffet 70
  • Hole-in-one Lounge (160 sqm): theatre 80, classroom 60, board 40, U-shape 30, cocktail 100, dinner 80, buffet 60
  • Sunscape Room (Mid-valley, 160 sqm): theatre 100, classroom 60, board 60, U-shape 30, cocktail 100, dinner 60, buffet 60
  • Starlight Room (Mid-valley, 120 sqm): theatre 100, classroom 60, board 60, U-shape 30, cocktail 100, dinner 60, buffet 60
  • Meeting Rooms 1, 2 and 3 (48, 38 and 34 sqm): board 12 each
  • Business Room A / Room B (38 sqm): board 16
Equipment
The meeting package lists 'LCD projectors and screen' and 'Broadband Internet service'. No fuller list published.

Checked 2026-11-13 against the venue's own pages (7 sources). Single quotation marks show the venue's own wording. Confirm availability and figures with the venue before you commit.

Before you shortlist

Five questions to ask a golf resort.

Questions to put to a venue of this kind before it goes on your shortlist.

  1. 01

    Which course can our group play, and when?

    Which courses take visiting groups, any handicap limit, and the tee times or shotgun start available on your dates.

  2. 02

    What does the corporate golf day include?

    Green fee, cart or caddie, club hire, range balls, scoring, prizes and food. Gleneagles and The Belfry publish a list; most resorts do not, so ask for one.

  3. 03

    What can beginners and non-golfers do at the same time?

    A clinic, a short course, or a separate activity of equal standing, with numbers and prices.

  4. 04

    How far is the first tee from the meeting room?

    Large resorts spread rooms, clubhouses and courses across a wide site. Ask about shuttles, lockers and how long the change takes.

  5. 05

    What happens if the weather turns?

    The wet-weather plan, the cancellation terms for the golf, and what the group does instead.

Writing the package down once is the step that makes venues comparable; the meeting venue RFP template does it in one page.

Questions

Golf and meetings, briefly.

How do you combine a meeting with a golf day?
Fix the meeting hours first. The common patterns are a morning session with nine holes after lunch, or a full meeting day followed by a golf day. A shotgun start keeps a large group on one timetable. Plan an activity of equal standing for those who do not play.
Do golf resorts publish corporate golf packages?
Some do. Of the ten here, Gleneagles and The Belfry publish a corporate golf day with a list of inclusions, Pinehurst corporate golf schools, and Millbrook tournament coordination for groups; none publishes a price for them. The other six publish meetings and golf separately, and the golf is quoted on request.
How did you choose these resorts?
Each has golf on site and a meetings offer published on its own website, with at least one resort on each of five continents. Where a resort's pages disagree we give both figures.
Do delegates need to bring their own clubs?
Not always, going by the resorts' own pages. Pinehurst publishes club rental at USD 80 a day, and RACV Royal Pines clubs from AUD 30 for nine holes, although the course rules on the same Royal Pines page say players must have their own set. Gleneagles, Fairmont Banff Springs, Sun City and Millbrook mention club or equipment hire without a price. The Belfry and Fancourt do not mention club hire, and Terre Blanche and Mission Hills publish nothing on hire on the pages checked. Ask for hire sets by number and hand when you send the player list.

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